{"id":13667,"date":"2024-01-24T15:40:04","date_gmt":"2024-01-24T15:40:04","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.kainowska.com\/EN\/?p=13667"},"modified":"2024-01-24T15:40:04","modified_gmt":"2024-01-24T15:40:04","slug":"80s-goth-subcultures-in-italy","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.kainowska.com\/EN\/80s-goth-subcultures-in-italy\/","title":{"rendered":"KINDRED CREATURES AND OTHER 80S GOTH SUBCULTURES IN ITALY\u00a0 [Part II] Psychogeography, rituals and places of aggregation"},"content":{"rendered":"<h2 style=\"text-align: center;\"><img decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" class=\"aligncenter size-full wp-image-13669\" src=\"https:\/\/www.kainowska.com\/EN\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/01\/Weegee-1956.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"540\" height=\"655\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.kainowska.com\/EN\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/01\/Weegee-1956.jpg 540w, https:\/\/www.kainowska.com\/EN\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/01\/Weegee-1956-247x300.jpg 247w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 540px) 100vw, 540px\" \/><strong>Gothic Specificity and Autonomous Paths<\/strong><\/h2>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">The very first Italian goths are, as we saw in <a href=\"https:\/\/www.kainowska.com\/EN\/kindred-creatures-80s-goth-subcultures-in-italy\/\"><u>the first part of this article<\/u><\/a>, <strong>absolute outsiders<\/strong>, both from the society of <strong>forced hedonism<\/strong> and the superficial well-being of 1980s Italy, as well as from the mode of <strong>direct confrontation<\/strong> and <strong>hyper-politicized behavior script<\/strong> of the <strong>punks<\/strong>. Many of those who will become the protagonists of the goth scene are united by a <strong>freakish<\/strong> and <strong>problematic nature<\/strong>: <strong>family problems<\/strong>, <strong>depression issues<\/strong>, <strong>struggles with violence management<\/strong>, and <strong>eating disorders<\/strong>. In comparison to the tougher punks who reject everything society has to offer, from work to education, the majority of early goths have a <strong>higher level of education<\/strong>. Many attend high school or university. A specific type of culture is crucial to the identity of those belonging to this subculture, and it cannot be separated from <strong>knowledge of art<\/strong>. Thus, <strong>Decadence<\/strong>, <strong>Existentialism<\/strong>, <strong>Surrealism<\/strong>, and <strong>Dada<\/strong> constitute the <strong>ABCs of being goth<\/strong>.<br \/>\n<img decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" class=\"aligncenter wp-image-11336 size-full\" src=\"https:\/\/www.kainowska.com\/EN\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/03\/Theo_van_Doesburg_Dadamatin\u00e9e.jpg\" alt=\"Theo_van_Doesburg_Dadamatin\u00e9e\" width=\"727\" height=\"525\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.kainowska.com\/EN\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/03\/Theo_van_Doesburg_Dadamatin\u00e9e.jpg 727w, https:\/\/www.kainowska.com\/EN\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/03\/Theo_van_Doesburg_Dadamatin\u00e9e-300x217.jpg 300w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 727px) 100vw, 727px\" \/><\/p>\n<p>Before 1983, there is no recognizable group of goths in Milan. This new subculture goes through <strong>various stages of gestation and development<\/strong>: a phase of <strong>aesthetic rupture <\/strong>with the dominant canon, which they share with punks along with other ideals (such as anti-militarism); a sense of <strong>only partial belonging<\/strong> to more radical ways of life; a <strong>turning inward<\/strong> where autonomous tastes and solitary artistic practices like writing are developed. The <strong>gothzines<\/strong> <strong>Fame<\/strong> and <strong>Amen<\/strong>, edited and created by Angela Valcavi along with other collaborators &#8211; who we will delve into in detail in the following part of this article- are born before anything else, and they will become a sort of primary magical object around which initiatives leading to the birth of the Kindred Creatures subculture will be structured.<\/p>\n<p>Another crucial aspect of this goth subculture is the dimension of <strong>exploration<\/strong>, stemming from not fully identifying with either the dominant culture or the existing subcultures. Thus, one must search for something to identify with, whether it&#8217;s music different from hardcore or other cultural, artistic, or literary inspirations. Essentially, it&#8217;s a <strong>quest for one&#8217;s own roots<\/strong>.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><img decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" class=\"aligncenter wp-image-11346 size-full\" src=\"https:\/\/www.kainowska.com\/EN\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/03\/amen.png\" alt=\" 80s Goths in Italy amen\" width=\"456\" height=\"642\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.kainowska.com\/EN\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/03\/amen.png 456w, https:\/\/www.kainowska.com\/EN\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/03\/amen-213x300.png 213w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 456px) 100vw, 456px\" \/><\/p>\n<hr \/>\n<h2 style=\"text-align: center;\"><strong>THE EARLY CONCERTS, THE BLACK TIDE, THE KINDRED CREATURES<\/strong><\/h2>\n<h2 style=\"text-align: center;\"><img decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" class=\"aligncenter wp-image-11361 size-large\" src=\"https:\/\/www.kainowska.com\/EN\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/03\/concerto-organizzato-dalle-creature-simili-helter-skelter-leoncavallo-27-aprile-1984-646x1024.jpg\" alt=\" 80s Goths in Italy concerto-organizzato-dalle-creature-simili-helter-skelter-leoncavallo-27-aprile-1984\" width=\"646\" height=\"1024\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.kainowska.com\/EN\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/03\/concerto-organizzato-dalle-creature-simili-helter-skelter-leoncavallo-27-aprile-1984-646x1024.jpg 646w, https:\/\/www.kainowska.com\/EN\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/03\/concerto-organizzato-dalle-creature-simili-helter-skelter-leoncavallo-27-aprile-1984-189x300.jpg 189w, https:\/\/www.kainowska.com\/EN\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/03\/concerto-organizzato-dalle-creature-simili-helter-skelter-leoncavallo-27-aprile-1984-768x1217.jpg 768w, https:\/\/www.kainowska.com\/EN\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/03\/concerto-organizzato-dalle-creature-simili-helter-skelter-leoncavallo-27-aprile-1984.jpg 847w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 646px) 100vw, 646px\" \/><\/h2>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">While the antagonists opt for secession, the early goths still want to construct their own personal heterotopia. <strong>Roxie<\/strong>, a protagonist of the scene, explains: &#8220;<em>Compared to the more politicized punk, there isn&#8217;t a <strong>direct fight<\/strong> in the goth scene: it was more about <strong>creating your own parallel world<\/strong>. It&#8217;s secession: from active resistance to passive.&#8221;<\/em><br \/>\n<img decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" class=\"aligncenter wp-image-11373 size-full\" src=\"https:\/\/www.kainowska.com\/EN\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/03\/4crows_b.jpg\" alt=\"4crows_b\" width=\"648\" height=\"383\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.kainowska.com\/EN\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/03\/4crows_b.jpg 648w, https:\/\/www.kainowska.com\/EN\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/03\/4crows_b-300x177.jpg 300w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 648px) 100vw, 648px\" \/><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">Through the promotional efforts of the gothzine Amen, Angela Valcavi, Lia, Atomo, and Vincillo come into contact with the scene of the wild <strong>bar-dairy Strafalari<\/strong>, where &#8220;<em>brilliant readings that nobody gives a damn about.<\/em>&#8221; take place, located in front of the famous Leoncavallo squat. Thus, the Kindred Creatures, passing through the assembly committee meeting, manage to <strong>organize the first concert<\/strong> on November 10th, 1983. The lineup includes <strong>Obscurity Age<\/strong> from Milan and <strong>Viridanse<\/strong> from Alessandria. Those from the Leoncavallo can&#8217;t believe their eyes when they see about a thousand people showing up, a real &#8220;<strong>black tide<\/strong>.&#8221;.<img decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" class=\"aligncenter wp-image-11362 size-large\" src=\"https:\/\/www.kainowska.com\/EN\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/03\/concerto-per-anime-dilaniate-helter-skelter-12-gennaio-19842-754x1024.jpg\" alt=\" 80s Goths in Italy concerto-per-anime-dilaniate,-helter-skelter,-12-gennaio-1984,2\" width=\"754\" height=\"1024\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.kainowska.com\/EN\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/03\/concerto-per-anime-dilaniate-helter-skelter-12-gennaio-19842-754x1024.jpg 754w, https:\/\/www.kainowska.com\/EN\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/03\/concerto-per-anime-dilaniate-helter-skelter-12-gennaio-19842-221x300.jpg 221w, https:\/\/www.kainowska.com\/EN\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/03\/concerto-per-anime-dilaniate-helter-skelter-12-gennaio-19842-768x1042.jpg 768w, https:\/\/www.kainowska.com\/EN\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/03\/concerto-per-anime-dilaniate-helter-skelter-12-gennaio-19842.jpg 817w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 754px) 100vw, 754px\" \/><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">Angela Valcavi recounts: &#8220;<em>We discovered a <strong>whole universe<\/strong> of <strong>individuals dressed in black<\/strong>. The feeling that these people finally found themselves in an environment where they could identify was tangible. For the first time, we saw so many individuals gathered who probably had a lot in common, who had developed shared interests in a discreet, intimate manner, linked to closed environments. (&#8230;) At that moment, there wasn&#8217;t yet a circuit, and it was surprising to see so many people united by an identity.<\/em>&#8220;<\/p>\n<p>On January 12th, 1984, the <strong>second concert<\/strong> takes place, featuring <strong>Weimar Gesang<\/strong> and <strong>Faded Images<\/strong>.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><img decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" class=\"aligncenter wp-image-11363 size-large\" src=\"https:\/\/www.kainowska.com\/EN\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/03\/concerto-organizzato-dalle-creature-simili-leoncavallo-12-gennaio-1984-729x1024.jpg\" alt=\" 80s Goths in Italy concerto-organizzato-dalle-creature-simili-leoncavallo-12-gennaio-1984\" width=\"729\" height=\"1024\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.kainowska.com\/EN\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/03\/concerto-organizzato-dalle-creature-simili-leoncavallo-12-gennaio-1984-729x1024.jpg 729w, https:\/\/www.kainowska.com\/EN\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/03\/concerto-organizzato-dalle-creature-simili-leoncavallo-12-gennaio-1984-214x300.jpg 214w, https:\/\/www.kainowska.com\/EN\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/03\/concerto-organizzato-dalle-creature-simili-leoncavallo-12-gennaio-1984-768x1079.jpg 768w, https:\/\/www.kainowska.com\/EN\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/03\/concerto-organizzato-dalle-creature-simili-leoncavallo-12-gennaio-1984.jpg 878w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 729px) 100vw, 729px\" \/><\/p>\n<p>At the third initiative organized at the Leoncavallo, <strong>Voices <\/strong>and <strong>Art of Waiting<\/strong> perform. The fourth concert is endorsed by the titles of the gothzines Amen, Fame, Hydra Mentale, S.D.M., and Kindred Creatures, whose <strong>collective<\/strong> <strong>was<\/strong> <strong>born<\/strong> at the beginning of that year <strong>within the Virus<\/strong>. &#8220;<em>We liked the name Kindred Creatures because the term &#8216;creature&#8217; makes you think of creation, something that wasn&#8217;t there before and through a gesture, an act, begins to exist. It evokes a journey, artistic and philosophical. \u201cKindred\u201d instead refers to resemblance, closeness to a path: it conveys the idea of identity and sharing.<\/em>&#8221; (Angela Valcavi)<\/p>\n<p>The Kindred Creatures began to show up more often on <strong>Via Torino<\/strong>, at the <strong>Sinigaglia fair<\/strong>, at the <strong>Columns of San Lorenzo<\/strong>, which were then <strong>the most alternative meeting places in Milan<\/strong>. They stage a <strong>flash mob with bloody performances<\/strong> at the conference on youth gangs at Palazzo Isimbardi, where they earn political respect from even the most extreme punks. Later, on May 5th, 1984, the Kindred Creatures <strong>attempted an occupation of the Teatro Miele<\/strong>, a beautiful abandoned place where concerts by Area and Skiantos had taken place, but they were evicted in less than a day.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><img decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" class=\"aligncenter wp-image-11376 size-large\" src=\"https:\/\/www.kainowska.com\/EN\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/03\/concerto-helter-skelter-milano-10-maggio-1984-e1457655377385-693x1024.jpg\" alt=\" 80s Goths in Italy concerto-helter-skelter-milano-10-maggio-1984\" width=\"693\" height=\"1024\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.kainowska.com\/EN\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/03\/concerto-helter-skelter-milano-10-maggio-1984-e1457655377385-693x1024.jpg 693w, https:\/\/www.kainowska.com\/EN\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/03\/concerto-helter-skelter-milano-10-maggio-1984-e1457655377385-203x300.jpg 203w, https:\/\/www.kainowska.com\/EN\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/03\/concerto-helter-skelter-milano-10-maggio-1984-e1457655377385-768x1135.jpg 768w, https:\/\/www.kainowska.com\/EN\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/03\/concerto-helter-skelter-milano-10-maggio-1984-e1457655377385.jpg 807w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 693px) 100vw, 693px\" \/><\/p>\n<hr \/>\n<h2 style=\"text-align: center;\"><strong>HELTER SKELTER AND DECODER<\/strong><\/h2>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><img decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" class=\"aligncenter wp-image-11364 size-large\" src=\"https:\/\/www.kainowska.com\/EN\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/03\/serata-helter-skelter-737x1024.jpg\" alt=\" 80s Goths in Italy serata-helter-skelter\" width=\"737\" height=\"1024\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.kainowska.com\/EN\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/03\/serata-helter-skelter-737x1024.jpg 737w, https:\/\/www.kainowska.com\/EN\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/03\/serata-helter-skelter-216x300.jpg 216w, https:\/\/www.kainowska.com\/EN\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/03\/serata-helter-skelter-768x1067.jpg 768w, https:\/\/www.kainowska.com\/EN\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/03\/serata-helter-skelter.jpg 842w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 737px) 100vw, 737px\" \/>In the end, the collective from Leoncavallo grants this proto-goth group the management of <strong>a basement in an adjacent building<\/strong>. This is how the <strong>self-managed space Helter Skelter<\/strong> is born, which will become the home of the Kindred Creatures. The <strong>name<\/strong> conveys chaos, vertigo, war of worlds, bringing together <strong>Charles Manson<\/strong>, <strong>the Beatles<\/strong>, and <strong>Siouxsie and the Banshees<\/strong>. The reference model is the <strong>Paradiso<\/strong> venues in <strong>Amsterdam<\/strong> and the <strong>Kukuk<\/strong>, an occupied place in <strong>Berlin<\/strong>.<br \/>\n<img decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" class=\"aligncenter wp-image-11323 size-full\" src=\"https:\/\/www.kainowska.com\/EN\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/03\/Max-Natkiel-Studio_Paradiso_-e1457367096929.jpg\" alt=\"Max Natkiel Studio_Paradiso_\" width=\"747\" height=\"811\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.kainowska.com\/EN\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/03\/Max-Natkiel-Studio_Paradiso_-e1457367096929.jpg 747w, https:\/\/www.kainowska.com\/EN\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/03\/Max-Natkiel-Studio_Paradiso_-e1457367096929-276x300.jpg 276w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 747px) 100vw, 747px\" \/>At Helter Skelter, the cultural offerings are very diverse; they organize <strong>concerts<\/strong>, <strong>exhibitions<\/strong>, <strong>film forums<\/strong>.<img decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" class=\"aligncenter size-full wp-image-13677\" src=\"https:\/\/www.kainowska.com\/EN\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/01\/Decoder-shooting-1984.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"618\" height=\"960\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.kainowska.com\/EN\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/01\/Decoder-shooting-1984.jpg 618w, https:\/\/www.kainowska.com\/EN\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/01\/Decoder-shooting-1984-193x300.jpg 193w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 618px) 100vw, 618px\" \/><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">At Helter Skelter, the Kindred Creatures organize <strong>politically low-priced concerts<\/strong> for the first Italian goth groups, as well as for <strong>Henry Rollins<\/strong> and <strong>Sonic Youth<\/strong>, who are hosted to sleep at Joykix&#8217;s house in Rogoredo.<img decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" class=\"aligncenter size-large wp-image-13681\" src=\"https:\/\/www.kainowska.com\/EN\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/01\/sonic-youth-1024x790.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"1024\" height=\"790\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.kainowska.com\/EN\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/01\/sonic-youth-1024x790.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/www.kainowska.com\/EN\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/01\/sonic-youth-300x231.jpg 300w, https:\/\/www.kainowska.com\/EN\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/01\/sonic-youth-768x592.jpg 768w, https:\/\/www.kainowska.com\/EN\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/01\/sonic-youth.jpg 1390w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1024px) 100vw, 1024px\" \/><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><strong>Gomma<\/strong>, a punk of the Virus squat and a central figure in the Italian cyberpunk scene, describes the impressions of (and on) Henry Rollins at the Helter Skelter:<em> &#8216;The gig is also mentioned by Rollins himself in one of his poetry books, describing Helter Skelter as super-underground, a place with a carpet made of empty beer cans and nomadic punks rummaging through bins in search of food. He kept quite a distance, peeking from the side, and in the morning, he went jogging, a practice completely unfamiliar to us. But he stood on stage like Satan himself. It was insane. He sweated like few others, and being literally soaked, the microphone would give him electric shocks, which he shielded himself from with a T-shirt wrapped around it. It was also damn cold (we were without windows), but he never complained. And that proves he&#8217;s killer.&#8221;<img decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" class=\"aligncenter wp-image-11337 size-large\" src=\"https:\/\/www.kainowska.com\/EN\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/03\/23-25-Settembre-1987-C.S.-Leoncavallo-Henry-Rollins-Gore-Helter-Skelter-Grafica-Stiv-1-724x1024.jpg\" alt=\" 80s Goths in Italy 23-25 Settembre 1987 C.S. Leoncavallo Henry Rollins - Gore - Helter Skelter (Grafica Stiv)\" width=\"724\" height=\"1024\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.kainowska.com\/EN\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/03\/23-25-Settembre-1987-C.S.-Leoncavallo-Henry-Rollins-Gore-Helter-Skelter-Grafica-Stiv-1-724x1024.jpg 724w, https:\/\/www.kainowska.com\/EN\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/03\/23-25-Settembre-1987-C.S.-Leoncavallo-Henry-Rollins-Gore-Helter-Skelter-Grafica-Stiv-1-212x300.jpg 212w, https:\/\/www.kainowska.com\/EN\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/03\/23-25-Settembre-1987-C.S.-Leoncavallo-Henry-Rollins-Gore-Helter-Skelter-Grafica-Stiv-1-768x1086.jpg 768w, https:\/\/www.kainowska.com\/EN\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/03\/23-25-Settembre-1987-C.S.-Leoncavallo-Henry-Rollins-Gore-Helter-Skelter-Grafica-Stiv-1.jpg 1240w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 724px) 100vw, 724px\" \/><img decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" class=\"aligncenter wp-image-11338 size-full\" src=\"https:\/\/www.kainowska.com\/EN\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/03\/henry-rollins.jpg\" alt=\"henry rollins\" width=\"1000\" height=\"676\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.kainowska.com\/EN\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/03\/henry-rollins.jpg 1000w, https:\/\/www.kainowska.com\/EN\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/03\/henry-rollins-300x203.jpg 300w, https:\/\/www.kainowska.com\/EN\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/03\/henry-rollins-768x519.jpg 768w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1000px) 100vw, 1000px\" \/><\/em>They screen film retrospectives by <strong>Richard Kern<\/strong>. , which elicits many perplexed faces among the comrades. <img decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" class=\"aligncenter wp-image-11329 size-full\" src=\"https:\/\/www.kainowska.com\/EN\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/03\/richard-kern-fingered.png\" alt=\"richard kern, fingered\" width=\"400\" height=\"307\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.kainowska.com\/EN\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/03\/richard-kern-fingered.png 400w, https:\/\/www.kainowska.com\/EN\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/03\/richard-kern-fingered-300x230.png 300w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 400px) 100vw, 400px\" \/>At the premiere of <strong>Decoder<\/strong>, a lysergic dystopia on media and control featuring <strong>Christiane F<\/strong>., <strong>William Burroughs<\/strong>, and <strong>Genesis P-Orridge,<\/strong> director Klaus Maeck is also present, along with an audience of around 300 people.<br \/>\n<img decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" class=\"aligncenter wp-image-11324 size-full\" src=\"https:\/\/www.kainowska.com\/EN\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/03\/klaus-maeck-a-milano-documentario-decoder.jpg\" alt=\"klaus maeck a milano documentario decoder\" width=\"486\" height=\"360\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.kainowska.com\/EN\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/03\/klaus-maeck-a-milano-documentario-decoder.jpg 486w, https:\/\/www.kainowska.com\/EN\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/03\/klaus-maeck-a-milano-documentario-decoder-300x222.jpg 300w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 486px) 100vw, 486px\" \/> <img decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" class=\"aligncenter wp-image-11325 size-full\" src=\"https:\/\/www.kainowska.com\/EN\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/03\/manifesto-proiezione-decoder-helter-skelter.jpg\" alt=\"manifesto proiezione decoder helter skelter\" width=\"486\" height=\"360\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.kainowska.com\/EN\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/03\/manifesto-proiezione-decoder-helter-skelter.jpg 486w, https:\/\/www.kainowska.com\/EN\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/03\/manifesto-proiezione-decoder-helter-skelter-300x222.jpg 300w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 486px) 100vw, 486px\" \/>Shortly thereafter, some Kindred Creatures will move into <strong>cyberpunk<\/strong>, creating an international underground magazine that adopts the name <strong>Decoder<\/strong>. Decoder is distinguished by the illustrations of <strong>Professor Bad Trip<\/strong> and deliberately chooses to <strong>ignore the classic Italian post-communist debates<\/strong> to theorize <strong>further concepts<\/strong>. One of these is the concept of <strong>imaginative suffocation<\/strong>, the impossibility of imagining alternatives to the existing, stemming from repression and retrenchment. Decoder is a decoder, to understand the code of the present and be able to reverse it. All of this originates within Helter Skelter, and Joykix, one of the Kindred Creatures, is part of the editorial team.<br \/>\n<img decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" class=\"aligncenter wp-image-11326 size-full\" src=\"https:\/\/www.kainowska.com\/EN\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/03\/decoder.jpg\" alt=\"decoder\" width=\"246\" height=\"350\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.kainowska.com\/EN\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/03\/decoder.jpg 246w, https:\/\/www.kainowska.com\/EN\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/03\/decoder-211x300.jpg 211w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 246px) 100vw, 246px\" \/>The comrades of Leoncavallo are amazed by the huge influx at Helter Skelter, characterized by <strong>a melting pot<\/strong> of <strong>diverse individuals<\/strong>, <strong>typical of superlative venues in their golden moments<\/strong>. Alongside the Kindred Creatures, inside the Helter Skelter you can find the comrades of Leoncavallo from the 1970s, the punks orphaned by the recently evicted Virus, the style-conscious goths who mostly frequent the nightclub circuit, Polish goths who whip themselves, Slovak goths exchanging ideas about self-managing cultural initiatives.<br \/>\n<img decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" class=\"aligncenter wp-image-11378 size-full\" src=\"https:\/\/www.kainowska.com\/EN\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/03\/flagellanti.jpg\" alt=\"flagellanti\" width=\"743\" height=\"362\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.kainowska.com\/EN\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/03\/flagellanti.jpg 743w, https:\/\/www.kainowska.com\/EN\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/03\/flagellanti-300x146.jpg 300w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 743px) 100vw, 743px\" \/>There are performances by <strong>Annie Anxiety<\/strong>, and one day <strong>Lydia Lunch<\/strong> is spotted.<img decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" class=\"aligncenter wp-image-11328 size-full\" src=\"https:\/\/www.kainowska.com\/EN\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/03\/annie-anxiety.jpg\" alt=\"annie anxiety\" width=\"635\" height=\"960\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.kainowska.com\/EN\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/03\/annie-anxiety.jpg 635w, https:\/\/www.kainowska.com\/EN\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/03\/annie-anxiety-198x300.jpg 198w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 635px) 100vw, 635px\" \/><img decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" class=\"aligncenter wp-image-11327 size-full\" src=\"https:\/\/www.kainowska.com\/EN\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/03\/lydia-lunch.jpg\" alt=\"lydia lunch\" width=\"428\" height=\"700\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.kainowska.com\/EN\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/03\/lydia-lunch.jpg 428w, https:\/\/www.kainowska.com\/EN\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/03\/lydia-lunch-183x300.jpg 183w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 428px) 100vw, 428px\" \/>The Helter Skelter closed in &#8217;87, a terrible year for everything that is the Milanese underground, which also saw the definitive closure of the second Virus.<br \/>\n<img decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" class=\"aligncenter wp-image-11339 size-full\" src=\"https:\/\/www.kainowska.com\/EN\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/03\/joykix-e-angie-dopo-lo-sgombero-del-virus-archivio-corriere-della-sera.jpg\" alt=\" 80s Goths in Italy joykix e angie dopo lo sgombero del virus, archivio corriere della sera\" width=\"604\" height=\"392\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.kainowska.com\/EN\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/03\/joykix-e-angie-dopo-lo-sgombero-del-virus-archivio-corriere-della-sera.jpg 604w, https:\/\/www.kainowska.com\/EN\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/03\/joykix-e-angie-dopo-lo-sgombero-del-virus-archivio-corriere-della-sera-300x195.jpg 300w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 604px) 100vw, 604px\" \/><\/p>\n<hr \/>\n<h2 style=\"text-align: center;\"><strong>GOTHS OF THE DISCOS AND THE HYSTERIKA CLUB<\/strong><\/h2>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><img decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" class=\"aligncenter wp-image-11365 size-full\" src=\"https:\/\/www.kainowska.com\/EN\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/03\/ingresso-dellHysterica.jpg\" alt=\" 80s Goths in Italy ingresso-dell'Hysterica\" width=\"904\" height=\"567\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.kainowska.com\/EN\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/03\/ingresso-dellHysterica.jpg 904w, https:\/\/www.kainowska.com\/EN\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/03\/ingresso-dellHysterica-300x188.jpg 300w, https:\/\/www.kainowska.com\/EN\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/03\/ingresso-dellHysterica-768x482.jpg 768w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 904px) 100vw, 904px\" \/>In this initial phase, there is an<strong> active exchange<\/strong> between the <strong>more politicized Kindred Creature<\/strong>s and the <strong>more commercial club scene<\/strong>, revolving around the <strong>cult venue Hysterika<\/strong>. Hysterika emerged from the ashes of Taxi, opened in <strong>1979<\/strong> on Via Redi. Taxi was a <strong>family-run establishment<\/strong> where the mother knitted in the coat check booth. The music selection included<strong> Talking Heads, Lou Reed, Bowie, Culture Club, Soft Cell, <\/strong>and <strong>Depeche Mode<\/strong>. The Taxi&#8217;s DJ, <strong>Ren\u00e9<\/strong>, was a friend of <strong>the legendary band Krisma<\/strong>, appeared in Lola&#8217;s video, and <strong>introduced New Romantic fashion<\/strong> to <strong>Milan<\/strong>. <img decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" class=\"aligncenter wp-image-13678 size-full\" src=\"https:\/\/www.kainowska.com\/EN\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/01\/krisma.jpg\" alt=\" 80s Goths in Italy\" width=\"736\" height=\"622\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.kainowska.com\/EN\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/01\/krisma.jpg 736w, https:\/\/www.kainowska.com\/EN\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/01\/krisma-300x254.jpg 300w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 736px) 100vw, 736px\" \/>Ren\u00e9 organized <strong>Halloween events in &#8217;82<\/strong>, a concept still foreign to Italy, where Halloween celebrations were virtually unheard of at the time. The Taxi attracted <strong>elegant new wavers<\/strong>, <strong>slicked-back rockabillies<\/strong>, <strong>early extravagant New Romantics<\/strong>, and initial <strong>goth enthusiasts<\/strong>, mixed with <strong>members<\/strong> of <strong>Depeche Mode<\/strong>, <strong>Visage<\/strong>, and <strong>Christian Death<\/strong>. In November &#8217;83, the Taxi hosted the <strong>Funeral Party<\/strong>, recognized as <strong>Italy&#8217;s first gothic party<\/strong>.<br \/>\n<img decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" class=\"aligncenter wp-image-11366 size-large\" src=\"https:\/\/www.kainowska.com\/EN\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/03\/serata-halloween-al-taxi-710x1024.jpg\" alt=\" 80s Goths in Italy serata halloween al taxi\" width=\"710\" height=\"1024\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.kainowska.com\/EN\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/03\/serata-halloween-al-taxi-710x1024.jpg 710w, https:\/\/www.kainowska.com\/EN\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/03\/serata-halloween-al-taxi-208x300.jpg 208w, https:\/\/www.kainowska.com\/EN\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/03\/serata-halloween-al-taxi.jpg 747w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 710px) 100vw, 710px\" \/><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">In 1984, the Taxi transformed into Hysterika, adopting <strong>Nina Hagen&#8217;s sulking mouth as its logo<\/strong>. <strong>Antonella Pala<\/strong> described the place as follows: <em>&#8220;I still remember the entrance, dark, narrow, all black, with the iron door. It was a sort of basement of the venue above, next to a porn cinema. Behind the bar counter, there were sofas arranged. In front, a wall covered in handprints, writings, and lipstick kisses reflected our typical rhythmic back-and-forth dance. On the left, high above, was the DJ booth; behind, next to the dance floor, was the bathroom where there was always a lot of commotion! And on the right of the bar counter was the stairway to the emergency exit, which was often used for quite different purposes..<\/em>.&#8221;<br \/>\n<em><img decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" class=\"aligncenter wp-image-11375 size-full\" src=\"https:\/\/www.kainowska.com\/EN\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/03\/scale-di-sicurezza-hysterica-cinzia-sergio-di-como2.jpg\" alt=\" 80s Goths in Italy scale-di-sicurezza-hysterica-cinzia-sergio-di-como2\" width=\"716\" height=\"472\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.kainowska.com\/EN\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/03\/scale-di-sicurezza-hysterica-cinzia-sergio-di-como2.jpg 716w, https:\/\/www.kainowska.com\/EN\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/03\/scale-di-sicurezza-hysterica-cinzia-sergio-di-como2-300x198.jpg 300w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 716px) 100vw, 716px\" \/><\/em> There were nights on Fridays and Saturdays with DJs Pietro Perozzi and Tannox. But the pinnacle was <strong>Sunday afternoons<\/strong> with the DJ duo <strong>Alex<\/strong> and <strong>Pino Carafa<\/strong>, known as DJ Lupo. Alex and Lupo played together, alternating lights and music, introducing then-unknown bands like <strong>Christian Death, CCCP, Death in June, The Cramps<\/strong>, and <strong>Alien Sex Fiend<\/strong>.<br \/>\n<img decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" class=\"aligncenter wp-image-11347 size-full\" src=\"https:\/\/www.kainowska.com\/EN\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/03\/Alien-Sex-Fiend-June-6th-1983-By-Mick-Mercer.png\" alt=\"Alien Sex Fiend June 6th 1983 By Mick Mercer\" width=\"450\" height=\"720\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.kainowska.com\/EN\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/03\/Alien-Sex-Fiend-June-6th-1983-By-Mick-Mercer.png 450w, https:\/\/www.kainowska.com\/EN\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/03\/Alien-Sex-Fiend-June-6th-1983-By-Mick-Mercer-188x300.png 188w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 450px) 100vw, 450px\" \/> <img decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" class=\"aligncenter wp-image-11348 size-full\" src=\"https:\/\/www.kainowska.com\/EN\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/03\/Annarella-luigi-ghirri.jpg\" alt=\"Annarella-luigi-ghirri\" width=\"600\" height=\"400\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.kainowska.com\/EN\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/03\/Annarella-luigi-ghirri.jpg 600w, https:\/\/www.kainowska.com\/EN\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/03\/Annarella-luigi-ghirri-300x200.jpg 300w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 600px) 100vw, 600px\" \/> <img decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" class=\"aligncenter wp-image-11349 size-full\" src=\"https:\/\/www.kainowska.com\/EN\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/03\/Death-in-June-mid-80s.jpg\" alt=\"Death in June - mid-80s\" width=\"500\" height=\"335\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.kainowska.com\/EN\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/03\/Death-in-June-mid-80s.jpg 500w, https:\/\/www.kainowska.com\/EN\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/03\/Death-in-June-mid-80s-300x201.jpg 300w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 500px) 100vw, 500px\" \/> <img decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" class=\"aligncenter wp-image-11350 size-full\" src=\"https:\/\/www.kainowska.com\/EN\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/03\/lux-interior-poison-ivy.jpg\" alt=\"lux interior poison ivy\" width=\"539\" height=\"411\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.kainowska.com\/EN\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/03\/lux-interior-poison-ivy.jpg 539w, https:\/\/www.kainowska.com\/EN\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/03\/lux-interior-poison-ivy-300x229.jpg 300w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 539px) 100vw, 539px\" \/> <img decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" class=\"aligncenter wp-image-11351 size-full\" src=\"https:\/\/www.kainowska.com\/EN\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/03\/Rozz-Williams-Christian-Death.jpg\" alt=\"Rozz Williams-Christian Death\" width=\"500\" height=\"367\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.kainowska.com\/EN\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/03\/Rozz-Williams-Christian-Death.jpg 500w, https:\/\/www.kainowska.com\/EN\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/03\/Rozz-Williams-Christian-Death-300x220.jpg 300w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 500px) 100vw, 500px\" \/>This state of grace persisted every Sunday from &#8217;86 to &#8217;89. Annual <strong>Miss Hysterika<\/strong> contests took place, where <strong>personality<\/strong>, not appearance, was the primary criterion for winning. People often brought concealed bottles in their bags, but the manager pretended not to notice, relying on entrance fees for revenue. Occasionally, Ren\u00e8 would release his <strong>chinchillas<\/strong> into the club, and people would scream as they accidentally sat on something alive, furry, and very miffed.<br \/>\n<img decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" class=\"aligncenter wp-image-11333 size-full\" src=\"https:\/\/www.kainowska.com\/EN\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/03\/cincill\u00e0-via-zoelagatta.jpg\" alt=\"cincill\u00e0 via zoelagatta\" width=\"650\" height=\"333\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.kainowska.com\/EN\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/03\/cincill\u00e0-via-zoelagatta.jpg 650w, https:\/\/www.kainowska.com\/EN\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/03\/cincill\u00e0-via-zoelagatta-300x154.jpg 300w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 650px) 100vw, 650px\" \/>Initially, <strong>the scene was very united<\/strong>; everyone knew each other, sharing musical tastes, aesthetics, and interests. Various groups coexisted. However, even at Hysterika, <strong>forms of elitism <\/strong>began to emerge, no longer linked to political connotations but to aesthetics. The contrasts were especially felt between Milanese dark enthusiasts and those from elsewhere. <strong>Andrea from Varese<\/strong> recalls, &#8220;<em>We weren&#8217;t particularly demanding in terms of appearance: we wore black jeans, boots, a coat, or a leather jacket. There, everyone wore lace and pointy shoes. It&#8217;s true, that maybe we were a bit provincial, but there was a clear difference between our way of socializing and theirs. The first few times you entered, you faced people who were aware they were the hosts, and they had a <strong>snobbish attitude<\/strong> toward those from outside. Many were approachable, but the hardcore group was quite snobbish. Before you could exchange a few words with them, it took a while. But ultimately, <strong>we made fun of them<\/strong>; <strong>we didn&#8217;t see them as idols to revere<\/strong>. Let&#8217;s say that, in the end, <strong>getting drunk<\/strong> brought everyone together.<\/em>&#8221;<br \/>\n<em><img decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" class=\"aligncenter wp-image-11341 size-full\" src=\"https:\/\/www.kainowska.com\/EN\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/03\/The-Demon-and-Vices-XVII-Century-Woodcut.jpg\" alt=\"The Demon and Vices, XVII Century Woodcut\" width=\"540\" height=\"565\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.kainowska.com\/EN\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/03\/The-Demon-and-Vices-XVII-Century-Woodcut.jpg 540w, https:\/\/www.kainowska.com\/EN\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/03\/The-Demon-and-Vices-XVII-Century-Woodcut-287x300.jpg 287w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 540px) 100vw, 540px\" \/><\/em><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">After the commercial turn of historic bands like The Cure, after DJ Lupo&#8217;s departure in &#8217;89 and a shift of the fashion scene to the club <strong>Plastic<\/strong>, after the aesthetic codes of regulars and newcomers began to blend and become indistinguishable, <strong>Hysterika definitively closed in 1991<\/strong>.<br \/>\n<img decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" class=\"aligncenter wp-image-11377 size-full\" src=\"https:\/\/www.kainowska.com\/EN\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/03\/pino-carafa-dj-lupo-a-sinistra2.jpg\" alt=\" 80s Goths in Italy pino-carafa-dj-lupo-a-sinistra2\" width=\"795\" height=\"524\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.kainowska.com\/EN\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/03\/pino-carafa-dj-lupo-a-sinistra2.jpg 795w, https:\/\/www.kainowska.com\/EN\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/03\/pino-carafa-dj-lupo-a-sinistra2-300x198.jpg 300w, https:\/\/www.kainowska.com\/EN\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/03\/pino-carafa-dj-lupo-a-sinistra2-768x506.jpg 768w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 795px) 100vw, 795px\" \/>The club-goers&#8217; scene was characterized by nomadism, with people often moving to explore dark venues in other cities, such as <strong>Modena&#8217;s Condor<\/strong> or <strong>Turin&#8217;s Charming<\/strong>, where industrial music was already played in &#8217;86. This nomadic inclination amplified the sense of belonging.<br \/>\n<img decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" class=\"aligncenter wp-image-11379 size-full\" src=\"https:\/\/www.kainowska.com\/EN\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/03\/flyer-da-quelli-che-andavano-al-vecchio-condor-e1457655663218.jpg\" alt=\" 80s Goths in Italy flyer da quelli che andavano al vecchio condor\" width=\"421\" height=\"533\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.kainowska.com\/EN\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/03\/flyer-da-quelli-che-andavano-al-vecchio-condor-e1457655663218.jpg 421w, https:\/\/www.kainowska.com\/EN\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/03\/flyer-da-quelli-che-andavano-al-vecchio-condor-e1457655663218-237x300.jpg 237w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 421px) 100vw, 421px\" \/>In addition to the Virus, the Helter Skelter, and the Hysterika on Via Redi, there are other significant places for the goth subculture in Milan. Roy recounts: &#8220;<em>In San Giuliano Milanese, <strong>Viridis<\/strong> hosted events on Fridays; it was a truly beautiful place. However, it was a war there, in the sense that every time you arrived, there was someone who had a problem with you. I got beaten up everywhere. I especially remember this skinhead: Lino the Skin. He was ugly, very mean. One time he caught me. I was truly irritating the hell out of him, he couldn&#8217;t stand my guts. (&#8230;) I also remember <strong>Motion<\/strong>, halfway between Milan and Bergamo. This too was a beautiful place, but there were always fights there as well. (&#8230;) Until &#8217;85-&#8217;86, it was a war in these mixed places. And it was also in the city. Going out to have fun meant coming home injured. Not dead, I don&#8217;t want to exaggerate, but injured, yes. It happened to me several times. Because in addition to stabbings and punches, I lost count of the slaps I took: my face became a bit rubbery from all the slaps I took! The situation begins to calm down a bit in the late eighties; there, you could see that something had changed in the alternative world.'&#8221;<\/em><br \/>\n<img decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" class=\"aligncenter wp-image-11383 size-large\" src=\"https:\/\/www.kainowska.com\/EN\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/03\/copertina-frigidaire-liberatore-761x1024.jpg\" alt=\"copertina-frigidaire-liberatore\" width=\"761\" height=\"1024\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.kainowska.com\/EN\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/03\/copertina-frigidaire-liberatore-761x1024.jpg 761w, https:\/\/www.kainowska.com\/EN\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/03\/copertina-frigidaire-liberatore-223x300.jpg 223w, https:\/\/www.kainowska.com\/EN\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/03\/copertina-frigidaire-liberatore-768x1033.jpg 768w, https:\/\/www.kainowska.com\/EN\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/03\/copertina-frigidaire-liberatore.jpg 800w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 761px) 100vw, 761px\" \/><\/p>\n<hr \/>\n<h2 style=\"text-align: center;\"><strong>MILAN TRIBAL ZONES IN THE EIGHTIES<\/strong><\/h2>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-size: 16px;\">In this regard, Sergio from Meda recounts that Milan was divided into true <strong>tribal zones<\/strong>, and crossing boundaries often meant taking a beating. &#8220;<em>In Via Torino, there was a passage where on one side there was the <\/em><\/span><em><strong style=\"font-size: 16px;\">Standa<\/strong><span style=\"font-size: 16px;\"> shopping mall, and on the other, <\/span><strong style=\"font-size: 16px;\">Wendy<\/strong><span style=\"font-size: 16px;\">, a fast-food joint. Punks would gather on the side of Standa, while in front of Wendy, there were <\/span><strong style=\"font-size: 16px;\">some goths<\/strong><span style=\"font-size: 16px;\">, a few <\/span><strong style=\"font-size: 16px;\">rockabillies<\/strong><span style=\"font-size: 16px;\">, a couple of <\/span><strong style=\"font-size: 16px;\">skins<\/strong><span style=\"font-size: 16px;\">: a <\/span><strong style=\"font-size: 16px;\">mixed crowd<\/strong><span style=\"font-size: 16px;\">. Punks initially had an issue with us and made fun of us, calling us names like &#8220;fags&#8221;, &#8220;crowlets&#8221;, and the like. Nothing happened, but rather than having trouble with punks, you would pass to the side of the skins. Two years later, everything was completely different: the skins kicked you, called you &#8220;commies&#8221;, and you couldn&#8217;t pass through there anymore. On Corso Vittorio Emanuele, in front of the old wall, there were <\/span><strong style=\"font-size: 16px;\">skaters<\/strong><span style=\"font-size: 16px;\">, the<\/span><strong style=\"font-size: 16px;\"> first <\/strong><span style=\"font-size: 16px;\">breakdancer<\/span><span style=\"font-size: 16px;\">s, and even some <\/span><strong style=\"font-size: 16px;\">paninari preppies<\/strong><span style=\"font-size: 16px;\"> a bit further back. <\/span><strong style=\"font-size: 16px;\">Metalheads<\/strong><span style=\"font-size: 16px;\">, on the other hand, were in a little alley behind Palazzo Reale, at the<\/span><strong style=\"font-size: 16px;\"> Transex store<\/strong><span style=\"font-size: 16px;\">. Practically on Via Torino, where there is now the bookstore before the pharmacy, there were the rockabillies, while before the Columns, on the right, where now there is the wine shop, back then there was the Oktober Fest beer hall, and that&#8217;s where the real skins were, the ones who really threw punches, so you had to take a detour to get to the shops. You couldn&#8217;t pass through there: if you passed on the other side, they pretended not to notice, but if you walked in front of them, you&#8217;d get at least a slap. At least. And <\/span><strong style=\"font-size: 16px;\">around &#8217;86-&#8217;87, things started to get even heavier<\/strong><span style=\"font-size: 16px;\">. Similar incidents had happened before; in &#8217;85, for example, at the old wall, skins from Zurich had arrived and sent a couple of people to the hospital, badly beaten. They cracked a few skulls, and I think that contributed to breaking up that group. (&#8230;) When I hear <\/span><strong style=\"font-size: 16px;\">goth people today saying they are right-wing, it makes me laugh, and it also surprises me a bit: we were always hated by those on the right; all right-wing movements considered us enemies<\/strong><span style=\"font-size: 16px;\">. With rockabillies, we had some issues, but those were more about teasing. With the<\/span><strong style=\"font-size: 16px;\"> motorcycle gang<\/strong><span style=\"font-size: 16px;\">, however, no problems: <\/span><strong style=\"font-size: 16px;\">some of them liked kraut-rock, German electronic music<\/strong><span style=\"font-size: 16px;\">, so they occasionally came to <\/span><strong style=\"font-size: 16px;\">Hysterika<\/strong><\/em><span style=\"font-size: 16px;\"><em>. But they kept to themselves: you weren&#8217;t supposed to bother them, or else you were in trouble, but they didn&#8217;t come to bother you. The same goes for metalheads: you went to Transex to buy a couple of studs, we didn&#8217;t look at each other very well, but we never had problems with a metalhead. Also on Vittorio Emanuele, on the left, towards the middle, there was an arcade, and in there, there was a large group from Milan: they were the Chinese, the communists. I knew some of them; they didn&#8217;t usually have issues with us, they had issues with\u00a0 the little fascists from the San Babila neighborhood. They couldn&#8217;t stand them: every time they met them, it was a fight, a real fight. I witnessed incredible scenes. It was a significant movement at the time. Besides, even now, I wouldn&#8217;t know how to define exactly what a Chinese is: it&#8217;s a kind of flower child transported to the &#8217;80s, so with long hair but wearing Clarks because they are left-wing, and with tight jeans<\/em>.&#8221;<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><img decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" class=\"aligncenter wp-image-11343 size-full\" src=\"https:\/\/www.kainowska.com\/EN\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/03\/I-Guerrieri-della-Notte.by-Namas.jpg\" alt=\"I Guerrieri della Notte.by Namas\" width=\"720\" height=\"416\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.kainowska.com\/EN\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/03\/I-Guerrieri-della-Notte.by-Namas.jpg 720w, https:\/\/www.kainowska.com\/EN\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/03\/I-Guerrieri-della-Notte.by-Namas-300x173.jpg 300w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 720px) 100vw, 720px\" \/><img decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" class=\"aligncenter wp-image-11367 size-full\" src=\"https:\/\/www.kainowska.com\/EN\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/03\/Cannibale-Fandango-Libri-pubblica-i-fumetti-di-Andrea-Pazienza.jpg\" alt=\"Cannibale, Fandango Libri pubblica i fumetti di Andrea Pazienza\" width=\"481\" height=\"660\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.kainowska.com\/EN\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/03\/Cannibale-Fandango-Libri-pubblica-i-fumetti-di-Andrea-Pazienza.jpg 481w, https:\/\/www.kainowska.com\/EN\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/03\/Cannibale-Fandango-Libri-pubblica-i-fumetti-di-Andrea-Pazienza-219x300.jpg 219w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 481px) 100vw, 481px\" \/><\/p>\n<hr \/>\n<h2 style=\"text-align: center;\"><strong>RECORD SHOPS AND GOTH HAIRDRESSERS<\/strong><\/h2>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">In addition to Virus, Helter Skelter, and Hysterika on Via Redi, other crucial places for the Milanese goth subculture were <strong>record shops<\/strong>. The most important were <strong>Fluxus No. 2<\/strong> on Via Bergamo, <strong>Supporti Fonografici<\/strong> on Viale Cogni Zugna, which remained open for twenty years and also featured releases from tiny independent labels, and <strong>Ice Age<\/strong>. Emanuela Zini recalled, <em>&#8220;Fluxus had an incredible setup. When you entered, there was a chair with cables, inspired by Francis Bacon&#8217;s painting of Innocent X.<\/em>&#8221; Angela Valcavi remembered that Saturday afternoons required a ritual pilgrimage to see and buy new records. There were also <strong>goth hairdressers<\/strong> like <strong>Tato<\/strong>, who arrived hours late but then played Cure and Christian Death records, or <strong>Hair For Heroes<\/strong>. There were specialized clothing stores too, which we&#8217;ll delve into further in the following parts of this piece.<br \/>\n<img decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" class=\"aligncenter wp-image-11368 size-full\" src=\"https:\/\/www.kainowska.com\/EN\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/03\/sergio-di-meda-pettina-il-suo-amico-aldo.jpg\" alt=\" 80s Goths in Italy sergio-di-meda-pettina-il-suo-amico-aldo\" width=\"268\" height=\"409\" data-wp-editing=\"1\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.kainowska.com\/EN\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/03\/sergio-di-meda-pettina-il-suo-amico-aldo.jpg 268w, https:\/\/www.kainowska.com\/EN\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/03\/sergio-di-meda-pettina-il-suo-amico-aldo-197x300.jpg 197w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 268px) 100vw, 268px\" \/><\/p>\n<h2 style=\"text-align: center;\">_ End of the second part of Kindred Creatures. In the next part of this article we will see the development of the most important gothzines and self-publications of the Italian 80s and 90s goth scene.\u00a0 But the very next article will be about the second part of our history of the color black. Stay Tuned through our new <a href=\"https:\/\/www.instagram.com\/kainowska\/\">Instagram page<\/a>!<img decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" class=\"aligncenter wp-image-13685 size-large\" src=\"https:\/\/www.kainowska.com\/EN\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/01\/KINDRED-CREATURES-and-Other-80s-Goth-Subcultures-in-Italy-1024x1024.png\" alt=\" 80s Goths in Italy\" width=\"1024\" height=\"1024\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.kainowska.com\/EN\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/01\/KINDRED-CREATURES-and-Other-80s-Goth-Subcultures-in-Italy-1024x1024.png 1024w, https:\/\/www.kainowska.com\/EN\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/01\/KINDRED-CREATURES-and-Other-80s-Goth-Subcultures-in-Italy-300x300.png 300w, https:\/\/www.kainowska.com\/EN\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/01\/KINDRED-CREATURES-and-Other-80s-Goth-Subcultures-in-Italy-150x150.png 150w, https:\/\/www.kainowska.com\/EN\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/01\/KINDRED-CREATURES-and-Other-80s-Goth-Subcultures-in-Italy-768x768.png 768w, https:\/\/www.kainowska.com\/EN\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/01\/KINDRED-CREATURES-and-Other-80s-Goth-Subcultures-in-Italy.png 1080w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1024px) 100vw, 1024px\" \/><\/h2>\n<hr \/>\n<h2>Bibliography<\/h2>\n<p>If you enjoyed this article and are interested in delving deeper into the topic, you can find some bibliography in the following links. If you appreciate our content and would like to support the activities of our site, you can make purchases through these links, not necessarily limited to books listed in the bibliography but any kind of item. To do so, simply access the link and then fill your cart. Thanks to everyone!<\/p>\n<p>Simone Tosoni, Emanuela Zuccal\u00e0,\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/programma-affiliazione.amazon.it\/home\/textlink\/general?textLinkType=search&amp;searchIndex=all&amp;keywords=Italian%20Goth%20Subculture&amp;linkName=Italian%20Goth%20Subculture#:~:text=%3Ca%20target%3D%22_blank%22%20href%3D%22https%3A\/\/www.amazon.it\/gp\/search%3Fie%3DUTF8%26tag%3Dkainowska%2D21%26linkCode%3Dur2%26linkId%3D471e37ca004401ccd09a44d5ffee9382%26camp%3D3414%26creative%3D21718%26index%3Daps%26keywords%3DItalian%20Goth%20Subculture%22%3EItalian%20Goth%20Subculture%3C\/a%3E\"><strong>Italian Goth Subculture. Kindred Creatures and Other Dark Enactments 1982-1991<\/strong><\/a><img decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" class=\"aligncenter wp-image-11380 size-full\" src=\"https:\/\/www.kainowska.com\/EN\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/03\/credits-roberto-vernetti-1983-joykix-2.jpg\" alt=\" 80s Goths in Italy credits roberto vernetti, 1983, joykix (2) \" width=\"613\" height=\"858\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.kainowska.com\/EN\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/03\/credits-roberto-vernetti-1983-joykix-2.jpg 613w, https:\/\/www.kainowska.com\/EN\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/03\/credits-roberto-vernetti-1983-joykix-2-214x300.jpg 214w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 613px) 100vw, 613px\" \/><\/p>\n<hr \/>\n<h3><strong>Images credits<\/strong><\/h3>\n<p>Thanks to\u00a0 Simone Tosoni, Sergio di Meda, Joykix, Angela Valcavi, and Donatella Bartolomei for the additional info and the pictures.<\/p>\n<h6>Weegee-1956, Theo Van Doesburg, Dadamatin\u00e9e, Amen Fanzine, Flyer of the concert at the Helter Skelter, 27th -April-1984, Crows, Hokusai,Flyer of the concert at the Helter Skelter, 12th, April-1984,Flyer of the concert at the Leoncavallo squat, -12th-January-1984,Flyer of the concert at the Helter Skelter, 10th-May-1984- Flyer of a gig at Helter Skelter, Max Natkiel, Studio Paradiso, Decoder&#8217;s shooting, 1984, Sonic Youth, 23-25-September-1987-C.S.-Leoncavallo-Henry-Rollins-Gore-Helter-Skelter-Graphics by Stiv Rottame, Henry Rollins live, Fingered by Richard Kern, Klaus Maeck in Milan in the documentary by Decoder, Flyer of the Decoder event at the Helter Skelter, Decoder Magazine, Annie Anxiety, Lydia Lunch, Joykix and Angie after the eviction of the Virus, The doors of Hysterica, Christina Moser and Maurizio Arcieri of Krisma, Flyer for the Halloween night at the Taxi Club, Cinzia and Sergio from Como on the security stairs of Hysterica, Alien-Sex-Fiend-June-6th-1983-By-Mick-Mercer, Annarella of CCCP, Death in June, Lux Interior and Poison Ivy of The Cramps, Rozz Williams of Christian Death, random chinchillas, The Demon and Vices, XVII Century Woodcut,Pino Carafa DJ Lupo on the left, Flyer of the Condor club, Tanino Liberatore, cover of the Frigidaire magazine, Walter Hill, The Warriors, 1979, Andrea Pazienza, Cannibale Cover, Sergio from Meda combing his friend Aldo, Joykix, 1983, credits Roberto Vernetti.<\/h6>\n<hr \/>\n<h6><\/h6>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Gothic Specificity and Autonomous Paths The very first Italian goths are, as we saw in the first part of this article, absolute outsiders, both from the society of forced hedonism and the superficial well-being of 1980s Italy, as well as from the mode of direct confrontation and hyper-politicized behavior script of the punks. 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